Friday, June 16, 2006

Dictionary Dhimmitude

Let’s redefine reason.

No definition of the mayhem and murder committed by muslims in the name of jihad and Allah falls out side of normal practice of Islam.

Killing rape theft lying arson are all acts of piety for a Muslim fighting the oppression of non muslims rule law.

A non Muslim breathing and paying taxes is a legitimate target of jihad.

Only deliberate disregard for the facts and a cultivated disinterest in them can explain the ignorance of those who defend any part of Islam.

It is genocide, Not veiled threats like Hitler made in his struggle but direct.

From scripture unabrogated, unrepentant, unflinching, It doesn’t take mistranslation or “out of context “reasoning it is paln simple language of hate and murder.

Islam calls for the destruction of America & the western culture .

Christians, Jews, polytheist, and atheists must all be brought under the thumb of Islam then eradicated at a convenient time. None are same no are protected.


Islam is jihad is terrorism is Islam is jihad

If fear of death is greater than love of truth, our culture is lost.


Europe carefully chooses its words on Islam and terrorism

Wednesday, June 14, 2006

BRUSSELS: The European Union is refining a communication strategy in an effort to help stop disenchanted Muslim youths turning to terrorism.

How is the word “Islamist” understood in Muslim countries? What does the term “jihad” really mean? These are just some of the questions the EU is trying to answer with its dictionary on issues sensitive among civilisations. Yet even before the row over the cartoons, first published in Denmark last year and which triggered Muslim protests, the 25-member grouping was trying to define a “common vocabulary” for talking about radical Islam.

Since taking over the EU’s rotating presidency in January, Austria has hosted conferences involving experts on Islam, religion and linguistics and has drawn up a first document which it hopes will be finalised by December.

“Unintended stigmatisation resulting from an ill-considered choice of words may have serious negative psychological effects and thus contribute to the process of radicalisation,” the text’s preamble says. It urges EU governments to “ensure that they do not inadvertently and inappropriately impose a sense of identity solely linked to religious affiliation.”

European governments and officials are also warned not use religious language or interfere in any religious debate “as it may discredit the efforts of mainstream Muslims to curb extremist interpretations of Islam.” The common lexicon, for the moment, consists of just three terms: “Islamist,” “fundamentalism,” and “jihad.”

Rather than dictionary-style definitions, the lexicon tries to place the words in their cultural, historical and political context to inform users and give them a better idea of how their use could be misunderstood.

So “Islamist terrorism” should be used instead of “Islamic terrorism”, because the -ist “links terrorism to a distinct political ideology, not to a religion as a whole, and might therefore be preferable.”

As for the word “fundamentalism”: avoid it. The term refers to beliefs and convictions which do not always have immediate political repercussions and when it is coupled into “Islamic fundamentalism” could be offensive to Muslims.

Finally, “jihad” - commonly used in the media to mean “holy war” - is based on contested interpretations of classical Islamic texts which legitimise the use of war against the state. “Mujahideen” is used to describe those who fight this war. But the lexicon explains that it is an intellectual, social or other kind of personal exercise - “great jihad” - or to describe a war in defence of the Muslim community; “little jihad”.
Afp

Daily Times

Wednesday, June 14, 2006

20 Comments:

Anonymous Pierre-Marie said...

That depends how you make interpretation: it is written in Quran each human been has to be respected, and sure the religions of the Book (in practice Hinduists are included in).
The Medinese verses are not used anymore by doctors.
Ijtihad (interpretation) has always been possible in fact because nobody can control each mind.
Ibn Rushd is the symbol of criticism.

1:55 AM  
Blogger KAOSKTRL said...

Well that is just a gosh dran lie, typical odf the jihad loser who want to promote lies about Islam and assume you wont dont any or havent done any research.
Start here
http://www.kafirnation.com/Assorted%20Tasfir.htm

2:20 AM  
Anonymous Pierre-Marie said...

But tell me what do you mean exactly in this article?
That there are different types iof islam?
Or just one which is violent?
Thank you for your answer.

2:33 AM  
Blogger KAOSKTRL said...

Their is one Islam the islam of Mohamamd,
from the Quran and hadith it is violent to non muslims.
http://www.kafirnation.com/Assorted Tasfir.htm#9

2:52 AM  
Anonymous Pierre-Marie said...

Ok I understand.
Well precisely I 'm Catholic origine, now atheist .I(m interesting to every religion.
I'm French so I am very attached to laicism and secularism.In France it is forbidden to show in secondary schools one political or religious choice.So muslim veil is forbidden and I'm totally in favour of it.Because to be lectured by every prayer.We are all free.
But you know every religion has its part of obscurity and part of entlightenment.
Christianity that's Jesus message, emancipation, one of the roots of Voltaire or Rousseau but it could be also Inquisition.
It's the same for Islam there is violence and it's unbearable but there are entligntened Muslims and I 've got friends who belong to it.

You know in France, we 've got a certain number of Maghreb or Sahel origine people.In my section (I 'm a member of French Socialist Party, I have five good Algerian or Tunisian origined friends).Islam has to have its aggiornamento ,has to be reformated as Councile Vatican II.
But please you can believe every Muslim is a develish person.
We have to fight for freedom, respect of everybody, Human beens rights that were given to the world by France ,my country in 1789, during French Revolution.

So I invite you to go on my blog and especially to read the first and second article (About this blog and my manifesto). Do not hesitate to write a comment

All the best for you
Thanks for this debate.
We love it in France because we admire Descartes and Luther as criticised and witty spirits.

3:06 AM  
Anonymous Pierre-Marie said...

Oops sure I would like to say 'Please believe me every Muslim is not a develish person'

Thanks to publish this erratum!

3:16 AM  
Blogger KAOSKTRL said...

Im glad you are interested in learning, unfortunately when it comes to Islam what muslims say usually has nothing to do with what Islamic scripture says, Scripture tells them to lie so they can win

http://www.kafirnation.com/WOTD.htm


You have no muslims friends you have muslims who want you to convert and are just waiting for the order from their mufti to remove your head if you don’t.

Islam has more blood on its hands than all other ideologies combined the difference is the blood is required murder is part of Islam

(“Radical Muslims have at times treated nonradicals as one large sleeper cell that can be activated by summons to the full practice of their religion. This is illustrated by a chilling story from the Ottoman Empire of the late nineteenth century:

‘Then one night, my husband came home and told me that the padisha had sent word that we were to kill all the Christians in our village, and that we would have to kill our neighbors. I was very angry, and told him that I did not care who gave such orders, they were wrong. These neighbors had always been kind to us, and if he dared to kill them Allah would pay us out. I tried all I could to stop him, but he killed them — killed them with his own hand.’

“In this light, the number of terrorists and their sympathizers is likely to grow beyond Pipes’ 100 to 150 million. In a very real sense this group is what the less militant majority considers to be the conscience of the umma. They are the people who actually dare to do what Alla said to do, whatever the cost.” (Islam Unveiled: Disturbing Questions About the World’s Fastest-Growing Faith, by Robert Spencer))

3:19 AM  
Blogger KAOSKTRL said...

Islam is unreformable it is reduced religion if you try to reform it you are an apostate .
It has only a few beleifs .
their is one god,
mohammad is the prphet,
and only worship of him is permitted ,
disbeleif is worse than murder .
Thats islam.

3:25 AM  
Anonymous Pierre-Marie said...

Dear Kaosktrl,

I beg to differ but I do not agree with you.

Friends of mine who are Muslims absolutely don't want to force me to convert myself.I tell you again , I am socialist (and they are too). You know how we are against churchy persons.
You know look at Inquisition crimes, it's really horrible.
Why Giordano Bruno has been murdered so bloodily by the Pope and the Dominicans? Tell me, I don't understand .Is that not unchristian to act like that? But they were Catholic Church chiefs.

Islam is absolutely refomable, look at what is happening in Morocco, women can now be priesters.But it was the case in XIII century: Ibn Arabi had like master Fatima of Cordoba, a very important women scholar.
Green fascism has to be fought against and to be made disappeared.

Tolerance must guide all of us.Responsibility and repression against crimes are absolutely linked with Reason.Read Kant and Hegel.
We have to be that way ,philosophical. The lights of knowledge always beat ignorance and nastiness.
Where do you live Kaosktrl?

All regards

4:35 AM  
Blogger Anna-Maria said...

It's just unbelievable! How could you tell such lies? May I recommend you to get some muslim friends and I hope that you'll realize that you're wrong! Okay?

7:48 AM  
Blogger KAOSKTRL said...

Typical muslim hyperbole
AM can not provide any proof of lies from scripture just make the aligation . I could counter any specifics had she had any but she doesnt.
She is practicing Taqiyya see link above .She hopes to diminish good people so her hateful ideology can be victorious.
As to getting so muslim friend I dont want any muslim friends and scripture tells muslims not to take any none muslims as friends Dont tell me to go to a mosque to meet muslims the scripture is clear on that

Qur’an 9:17 “The disbelievers have no right to visit the mosques of Allah while bearing witness against their own souls to infidelity. These it is whose doings are in vain, and in the fire shall they abide. Only he shall visit the mosques of Allah who believes in Allah and the latter day, and keeps up devotional obligations, pays the zakat, and fears none but Allah.”

9.17. It is not for the Mushrikûn (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh), to maintain the Mosques of Allâh (i.e. to pray and worship Allâh therein, to look after their cleanliness and their building, etc.), while they witness against their ownselves of disbelief. The works of such are in vain and in Fire shall they abide.

9.18. The Mosques of Allâh shall be maintained only by those who believe in Allâh and the Last Day; perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât and fear none but Allâh. It is they who are expected to be on true guidance.


5.50. Do they then seek the judgement of (the Days of) Ignorance? And who is better in judgement than Allâh for a people who have firm Faith.

5.51. O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliyâ' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliyâ' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliyâ', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allâh guides not those people who are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong­doers and unjust).

5.52. And you see those in whose hearts there is a disease (of hypocrisy), they hurry to their friendship, saying: "We fear lest some misfortune of a disaster may befall us." Perhaps Allâh may bring a victory or a decision according to His Will. Then they will become regretful for what they have been keeping as a secret in themselves.

If you try to distort the meaning of this, I can provide proof from the Quran you are ignorant


Adh-Dhahabee (rahimahullaah) said: "If you see the innovative mutakallim saying: 'leave out the Qur'aan and Sunnah and bring forth logic', then know that he is Aboo Jahl. And if you see the 'One on the Spiritual Path', [who claims that by practicing a set of prescribed forms of innovated worship he will attain oneness with Allaah] (i.e. the Soofees) saying: 'Leave us from [knowledge] that is transmitted (i.e. the Qur'aan and Sunnah) and bring forth the 'Taste and Ecstasy of Passion', then know that he is Ibless (Shaytaan) become manifest in human form, or has become incarnate within him; so if you become cowardly then run away from him,. otherwise wrestle him down, and sit on his chest with your knee, and ready ayaatul-kursee, and strangle him."

Shirk is worse than Killing
Since Jihad involves killing and shedding the blood of men, Allah indicated that these men are committing disbelief in Allah, associating with Him (in the worship) and hindering from His path, and this is a much greater evil and more disastrous than killing. Abu Malik commented about what Allah said:
[وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ]
(And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) Meaning what you (disbelievers) are committing is much worse than killing.'' Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Sa`id bin Jubayr, `Ikrimah, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ad-Dahhak and Ar-Rabi` bin Anas said that what Allah said:
[وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ]
(And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing.) "Shirk (polytheism) is worse than killing.''

8:15 AM  
Blogger KAOSKTRL said...

I live In florida,Im a retired Man.
Innovation reform of Islam is not possible
and you dont want it to go back to the way it was when mohammed lived
He was the Original Terrorist.
http://www.kafirnation.com/WOTD.htm#bidah

As far as Kant goes Lets just cut to the chase of Deontological ethics,
The rights of a man outway the obligations put on him by others.

That you know some "in name only muslims" does not in anyway change what Islamic scripture says
nor the obligation put on them By allah.

that they shirk those responsiblities
could change at any moment. Why trust them at all /Not until they renounce Jihad and Islam and mohammad and work to free others from Islam.
I dont attack muslims just the ideology which is genocide.

I question how good is a person who subscribs to an ideology that can be proven to be genocidal?.
Can you tell me about the innocent Nazis or the innocent Klan memebers?
when you take on the name of a group you get painted by the brush.

9:16 AM  
Blogger KAOSKTRL said...

As far as the inqusition goes what you know and what the facts are and
that the scripture of Christ doesnt allow what was done are 3 differnt things ,
Not all the deaths during the inqusition were from the Church ,almost all of
them were from the plague and the Gospel of Christ is a little to pacsifistic for
my taste. It doesnt allow for torture killing or any of that good stuff.

Christianity is a recipoe for selfextinction, Islam is genocide.

Why not bring up the Crusades?
They were an answer to 400 years of unawswered jihad.

10:26 AM  
Anonymous Pierre-Marie said...

Taqqiya or Salafi are 25% of Muslims ,not any more.
Read the Pentateuque, we see a God of revenge, a God what we are afraid of and we are submitted to.Not a God of love and openmind.
The violence of Quran has come from the Biblic tradition, this is prooved by Christianity and Middle-East historians.
There is two parts in Quran: the Mekka verses which represent 80% of Quran and Medinese verses,20%.

I read Bible each week and I can say to you ,the Bible is very harsh for women and minorities.Many examples to show you.
But do we apply nowadays lapidation.
No. I have studied cathechism with very nice cathecumenes and priests and they told me that was a very sad contradiction between Jesus message and Catholic Church History. The pope John Paul had even presented his repentance for Church crimes.

There's a debate in arabophone countries for talking about religious reformation, thanks to the diaspora in our European origined countries.And the Christians take part of it.
I've got Spanish origines, I know how bright was Al Andalus.

You see everything black regarding Islam.I don't say it 's totally white but in fact it's grey like Christianity.

Jesus has said kasher food wasn't the most important thing because the worst was to ingerate hatred. This is hatred which absolutely a sin food for Jesus.Let's follow this message.

Best wishes

3:12 AM  
Blogger KAOSKTRL said...

Taqiyya is lying for allah all muslims do it ,
the Quran was written before the bible according to muslims it is the original scripture .
the Quran has a context of time
new verse replace ols verse the order can be found on my site kafirnation.
jesus said it is what come out of a mans mouth that condems himm not what goes into it.


what is the name of you blog?

6:29 AM  
Blogger KAOSKTRL said...

your blog ?

6:30 AM  
Anonymous Pierre-Marie said...

Pour une union méditerranéenne

8:40 AM  
Anonymous Pierre-Marie said...

Sure I can mention you (I forgot) my anglophone blog:
For a Mediterranean Union

10:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You have a lot of hate for Islam, how much are rabbies paying you?
Only them threw filth @ prophet Muahmmed (pbuh) Kafir means: athiest, definately going to hell. Salam: Peace!!!

3:50 AM  
Blogger KAOSKTRL said...

Ok you are an idiot.
Thanks for proving it so concisely

6:48 AM  

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